Comments on: The Semi-Official Zend Framework Pear Channel

By: Amr Mostafa Youssef

Amr Mostafa Youssef — Sun, 18 Oct 2009 09:11:17 +0000

Just wanted to drop my thanks, this is really helpful. I’m now using this on our production servers.

By: John Kleijn

John Kleijn — Sun, 16 Aug 2009 20:45:58 +0000

I never understood the reluctance of ZF to create an official PEAR package. Sure, it is more a lib than what it is traditionally considered a “framework”, and that is its strength indeed, but why is that an objection? Zend Framework itself may not have any dependencies on other PHP software (although I hope adding optional support for 3rd party software becomes a trend with the framework), there are people who would like to build software dependent *on* zf, and a package manager facilitates that. Package managers in linux have hundreds if not thousands of library packages which require no more than “copying files from one location to another”. That’s not the only worth of a package manager.

Perhaps if Zend officially endorses a ZF channel, not just focussed on Zend_Tool, more OSS based on ZF will sprout. And that can only be a good thing, because 90% of OSS PHP apps out there now complete and utter crap (although granted those usually are not written on PEAR components). Also this channel could be better managed (automagically?). The current stable in the channel is 1.8.3, while the current tag is 1.9.1..

Maybe stating the obvious, but then again..

By: ralphschindler

ralphschindler — Sat, 24 Jan 2009 17:55:16 +0000

Hey Derek,

The ZF will always be a “use at will” architecture. The only part that is “complicated” is getting the zf.php script (the command line client for Zend_Tool) in the correct place and utilizing the ZF library.

The rest of ZF is the same as it ever was, and if you dont want to use any part of the zf.php command line tools or anything from the Zend_Tool component, you are free to do that

The purpose behind the pear channel here it to be able to use a pretty well known distribution medium (PEAR), to get all the proper tools “installed” in your systems PHP environment. No more, no less.

-Ralph

By: Derek Martin

Derek Martin — Fri, 23 Jan 2009 16:13:23 +0000

Great to hear!
I’ve used those PEAR channels, but they always died off

>> ZF is moving from a library of “runtime components” into more of a
>> holistic framework with capabilities of code-generation, scaffolding,
>> and project management, which complicates the process of installation.

Complicates it entirely, or only for those wishing to use the Application/Tool part of the Framework?

One of ZF’s selling points has always been “You can use just 1 piece, or a few, or all of it. Take what you want.”

Does this transition mean that statement will no longer apply?

>> @Will – we intend to show how a project can function both as a
>> component library and a framework without compromising on either

Hope it can still KISS

By: Brandon P

Brandon P — Mon, 12 Jan 2009 16:39:57 +0000

PEAR is great but (correct me if I’m wrong) it doesn’t allow you to install and keep multiple versions of the same package.

If you have a server that hosts multiple applications each application may require specific versions of an individual class installed via PEAR. What happens if “ApplicationA” requires 2.0 but “ApplicationB” is designed around 1.8?

Personally, I don’t want to have to worry about “Will my application that is designed for 1.8 work under a new version”?

By: darkangel

darkangel — Sat, 10 Jan 2009 22:34:27 +0000

@Wil

That’s so good to hear! Having both options is the *perfect* solution in my opinion.

@Ralph

I think the response previous to mine is causing issues with the comment form.

By: Zend Framework poprzez PEAR | Micha? ?wito?

Zend Framework poprzez PEAR | Micha? ?wito? — Sat, 10 Jan 2009 20:51:41 +0000

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By: Zend Framework in Action » PEAR channel for Zend Framework

Zend Framework in Action » PEAR channel for Zend Framework — Fri, 09 Jan 2009 22:51:11 +0000

... PEAR channel for Zend Framework">PEAR channel for Zend Framework Ralph Schindler has created a semi-official PEAR channel for Zend Framework. If you like installing via PEAR, then check out ...

By: Wil Sinclair

Wil Sinclair — Fri, 09 Jan 2009 18:16:01 +0000

There is a very important footnote I’d like to add to all of Ralph’s good work. While the focus of 1.8 will be RAD tools which provide much of the functionality that most people consider criteria for a ‘framework’ nowadays, we are hardly abandoning our use-at-will and component-library-like architecture. In fact, we intend to show how a project can function both as a component library and a framework without compromising on either aspects. The very components that implement the RAD tooling (Zend\_Tool and Zend\_Application, so far) will be use-at-will themselves. These simultaneous ‘component library’ and ‘framework’ aspects will form a duality in the ZF project going forward and all design decisions should accommodate both.
That said, for most of you this is not an important point. After all, if ZF works well for you, who cares what we call it?

,Wil

By: Ralph Schinder’s Blog: The Semi-Official Zend Framework Pear Channel : Dragonfly Networks

Fri, 09 Jan 2009 17:07:29 +0000

...Ralph Schinder’s Blog: The Semi-Official Zend Framework Pear Channel Ralph Schinder has posted about a new development in the world of Zend Framwork distribution - a PEAR channel. ...